In this episode, we welcome back an amazing guest Jami Sparling to talk about her big geographical shift from Ontario to Nova Scotia and the even bigger shift in her life of going from successful interior designer to authentic mindset coach, and all of the things that led her there!

Jami is no stranger to change, in the previous episode on the podcast she shared her move from paramedic to interior designer and all that came with it! She is a testament to resilience as she takes us through her wild journey and the intense catalysts that brought on those transitions.

We spoke in depth about the resources she utilized that helped her start trusting her intuition and embrace joy and play in work and life, which has now allowed her to give back and coach others. Jami shares how to know when you’re ready for coaching, how to find the right one for you, and how avoiding comparison can be instrumental for your happiness and growth.

Finally, her nugget about being selective on who you take help and advice from is one for the books! If you’re looking to better understand how different coaches and resources can help you at various stages in your life, this is the episode for you!


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Rebecca Hay: Hey, hey, hey, it’s Rebecca and you’re listening to Resilient by Design.

[00:00:04] Today I’m excited to welcome back Jamie Sparling to the podcast. She was previously on episode 107 where she shares her experience. As a paramedic thriving through PTSD and how that led her to start her interior design firm, which she then after that podcast episode, with the help of Power of Process, my signature course, that’s the blueprint for running your business.

[00:00:26] She took that course and joined us inside Designer’s Room and grew her business within four years to award winning, had her own studio space, office employees, you name it. And today. She shares with you her authentic journey and how she made a major life decision to leave that all behind, move across the country and shift into a new career.

[00:00:52] She is a visionary. She is a true testament to resilience and growth. And I think you are really going to enjoy her story because it will inspire you. I know Jamie inspires me. She is now, through her brand new company, Authentic Armor, is helping give back and share with other human beings on how to rewrite their narrative and embrace the power of mindset to improve your life.

[00:01:21] Jamie’s journey on self discovery and transformation is definitely eye opening, and she is now positioned to help others unravel their inner strengths and forge a path towards a life of purpose, joy, and authenticity. I hope you guys enjoy my conversation with Jamie. Jamie Sparling is here on the podcast.

[00:01:44] Jamie, welcome. I’m so excited to have you back. I am so excited to be back. Thank you for having me. We were just chatting offline about how crazy it is that you’ve been on the podcast before, obviously, and you and I’ve gotten together and you’re a pop alumni and designers room [00:02:00] alumni and all the things and how much has changed since we last spoke.

[00:02:05] It’s wild. Yeah, absolutely. I apparently like change a lot. I can relate to that. You and me both girl. Okay. But before we dive into all the things, and I’m really excited for today’s conversation. It’s going to resonate with a lot of listeners, but before we get into the juicy goodness, just give everyone a quick summary

[00:02:22] Jami Sparling: of who you are and what you do.

[00:02:24] I’m going to try to keep this short and sweet. So my name is Jamie Sperling. I am the founder of Authentic Armor, which I just founded in the process of sitting down to write my very first personal development book, this business idea just popped up and I could not ignore it. So here I am. So I have created a website that is a wealth of resources for anyone and everyone to use, because I believe.

[00:02:48] That everyone is navigating life’s challenges and trying to do our best. There are so many things to factor into our life and our business and everything. And I have my coaching within it as well. I want to give back and I want to help people because I’ve gone through a lot of shit. And I would like to have people figure out how to help themselves throughout whatever they’re going through.

[00:03:07] Rebecca Hay: So you work with people on an

[00:03:09] Jami Sparling: individual basis. Is that right? Yes. It’s one on one private coaching and it seems to be a lot of designers actually.

[00:03:15] Rebecca Hay: Well, that’s because you until very recently were a designer yourself.

[00:03:20] Jami Sparling: Yes, absolutely. It was awesome.

[00:03:22] Rebecca Hay: Yeah. Let’s, let’s go there. Like, let’s go back a little bit to give people a bit of that background of why is it that you’re working with so many designers?

[00:03:28] Cause you know what it means and what it’s like to be a designer. So why don’t you just tell us a little bit. I know it’s a lot of things. I don’t want to, I don’t want to do a whole chronological episode, but maybe just give us an insight into how, how

[00:03:40] Jami Sparling: did you land into interior design? It had been a hobby of mine since the age of like six.

[00:03:45] I remember rearranging my furniture and I know that’s how a lot of designers seem to start. When I was in high school, I remember telling someone who I trusted and I looked up to that I wanted to be an interior designer because I loved it. And they said to me, you know, [00:04:00] it’s all about who, you know, in that industry.

[00:04:02] And at the time I was introverted, I still am, and I was extremely shy and I didn’t really know many people, so I was like, okay, what else can I do? So I decided to become a paramedic because I love science and I loved helping people in the human body and all that stuff. And so I did that for 11 years and I had always kept Design and decorating and home staging and all of that stuff as a hobby.

[00:04:24] I did that from basically mat leave until I decided to launch my business in 2019. I had gone through PTSD as a paramedic. I had healed and recovered from that. And once I had my brain back it no longer felt broken. I did a deep dive into personal development. And through that process, I had a lot of things happen in synergy, I guess, that kind of aligned for me.

[00:04:47] And I was like, you know what? I’m going to jump. With both feet into entrepreneurship and it was the greatest thing I’ve ever done in my entire life. Because I actually got to know who I am and what I love. And I have been on a wild journey since then. I grew my business to what looked, I would say successful from the external standpoint.

[00:05:07] We had a team and a warehouse and a studio and a moving van. We were working only with kind of clients. I’m projects that fully lit me up creatively. I was given full creative freedom. I think my clients loved me and trusted me and they were hands off. They were busy living their lives and I just did my thing and it was freaking awesome.

[00:05:25] But when my dad died, my entire life was flipped upside down. I didn’t know how to grieve and I was running my business. And I was at the same time and trying to do all the things and people wondering, okay, Jamie, I need you. What do I do here? Whatever. And my brain was just like, Oh my gosh, what am I doing with my life?

[00:05:42] It just, it really had me reevaluate where I was spending my time, what was actually bringing me joy and what I wanted to do in the future. So. I grew my business and I decided to go on a family vacation because we hadn’t since I started my business to a place where [00:06:00] my dad’s family was from, which is Nova Scotia.

[00:06:02] My husband and I, within two days of being on our trip, looked at each other and said, why do we not live here? We absolutely loved how we felt when we were here. Well, now I am here. And we, so we looked at each other, said, why do we not live here? We could not come up with a reason, even in the middle of so many projects.

[00:06:21] And we were about to hire more people and do all of these things. We decided to simplify our life and we moved about nine months later, we had sold our house that we thought was our dream house that we were going to live in forever. And we totally changed our lives in the greatest way possible.

[00:06:36] Rebecca Hay: Okay.

[00:06:37] First of all, so many things there. I have a couple of questions. I definitely want to dive into you just breezed over like many years for those listening. If you want to hear about Jamie’s experience in more detail of going from being a paramedic, which I’m sure people heard that they’re like, what, like how different is that than interior designs?

[00:06:55] pretty different. I’m sure obviously there will be some parallels, but in general, it’s a very different type of skill. You do share that in the other episodes. So guys go listen to episode I think is 107 and it’s called thriving past PTSD. And that’s where you, Jamie, you share with us in great detail your experience being a paramedic and the shift that you made And how you started your design business and how you found power of process that helped you to really scale that business and make it what it was.

[00:07:23] And so guys go listen to that episode. It’s awesome. But then coming back to this idea of growing your business, like you grew really quickly and this is something I just think is really interesting and just worth noting. When you came and joined power of process, I don’t know where you were at, but I think your business, you were doing a bit of staging.

[00:07:39] I believe you’re doing a little bit of everything.

[00:07:41] Jami Sparling: Yes, absolutely. Everything.

[00:07:43] Rebecca Hay: Yeah. And then you were like, Oh, cause I’m in the course, spoiler alert. I tell everyone don’t do everything, pick one thing. And, and you did, and you did an amazing job and your husband was in business with you and you guys really scaled those listening.

[00:07:57] Can you just kind of give them an insight into what that business [00:08:00] looked like? Cause I want everyone to fully grasp what you’ve. Not left behind, but you know, this transition you’ve made has been really big and I just, I don’t want to breeze past what you did grow in your design business.

[00:08:12] Jami Sparling: So I would start with the greatest advice I could possibly give is investing in yourself professionally with the courses like power process, as well as Having a business coach.

[00:08:24] So I invested money that at the time I didn’t have, my husband thought it was completely nuts. I was reading a million different books that are like, dream up your greatest life and do all these things and affirmations and all this stuff. I thought it was wacky, but I was like, I’m willing to try anything and everything.

[00:08:39] So I invested countless hours into growing myself personally and professionally at the exact same time. So we grew our business to having a team of four. We were about to be a team of five prior to deciding to move and change everything. We were working on projects that were the exact style that I wanted to do with clients that I loved being around.

[00:09:01] We had our systems in place, and in the process that we had, we had a warehouse that we ran, we were our own installers and movers, and we did everything internally. I charged what I wanted, I picked a number, and that’s what I charged, and people were very happy to pay for it. I learned. So much sales skills, marketing skills, all of these different things that I absolutely did not need to have as a paramedic.

[00:09:25] That’s wildly different. There are parallels like you spoke of but we grew this thing to be successful and I won awards that I didn’t even know existed. And I saw other people promoting like vote for me, all this stuff and people who are very well known in the city and I want it. So I see a billboard of all the dates.

[00:09:44] that they want it. And the one year that’s missing is when I had it. And it was someone who I had reached out to, to possibly be a mentor. And I kindly sent a DM on Instagram and I looked up to this person and they would not speak to me. They never responded to me and then it was blocked. And [00:10:00] then I win this award and I’m like, It’s interesting how the universe works.

[00:10:04] I’ve never been negative or like talk smack about anybody or whatever, but I just believe in like karma and just be a kind person and be your true self, lift each other up and let’s all grow together. There’s no cause. I

[00:10:16] Rebecca Hay: love that you share that story. I mean, it’s obviously not everyone in our industry is going to be as open and collaborative and understand that there’s enough work out there for all of us.

[00:10:26] And that we actually shine when we can help each other and the collaboration over competition exists for a reason. And that makes me sad for that person. But ultimately we are not responsible for their actions and their happiness. I remember at one point too, as your business is growing, you’re winning these awards, which is amazing by the way, because this happened in a short timeframe, I believe.

[00:10:45] No, very short timeframe. You had like, I remember you guys had a big branded moving truck, you had a warehouse, you had an office space in London, Ontario, like, which is a relatively, you know, it’s a large city for Ontario and you were like hustling and moving and like you guys were A real force to be reckoned with.

[00:11:05] Jami Sparling: Yeah, and not even trying to be. I was just really, truly enjoying what I was doing. And I was being my true self through Instagram. I was talking about PTSD, I was talking about my marriage crumbling apart, and I was doing all those things. And when I started, Putting myself out there more and being my true self.

[00:11:22] It’s when I had clients that aligned with my story and they wanted to hug me the second I even met them at a consultation. Like we got to know each other and I’m sure there’s some people that I totally pushed away, which I wanted to, I don’t want to work with people who I’m not going to vibe well with.

[00:11:37] Like we’ve talked about my criteria that I had and I stuck with it. Personality need to be a good fit, budget, style, and timeline.

[00:11:45] Rebecca Hay: We talk about that in the other episodes. So guys go back and listen to one Oh seven, because I really loved it. And I took a lot away from that conversation with you, which is this getting super clear, and this is something that.

[00:11:56] I mean, I teach in everything I do. I think it’s like fundamental. It’s [00:12:00] foundational when you’re running a business. Like who is that dream client? Who is that ideal client that you want to serve? And not just demographics and what they look like and where they live, but their personality and how they respond to you.

[00:12:12] And one of the things you said, they need to be kind. And looking for red flags, but also looking for the green flags, right? Like what are those, those elements to that person that you’re meeting on the telephone or in a consultation that tell you, yes, this is the right fit client. And you are really good and regimented at like following it and like trusting.

[00:12:31] And I think that’s part of what really helped you to grow and attract that right client and charge the money that you were charging that probably you never could have dreamed of charging before. So things are thriving. Things are amazing. You’re super happy. How long had you been in business before you decided to make this move across the country?

[00:12:49] Jami Sparling: Four years, I believe.

[00:12:50] Rebecca Hay: So only four years, like, look, guys, like, listen to the amazing things that you can do in a short period of time. And that is after having a previous career. So now here we are, Brico Interiors is like, filled with projects, things are busy, then what happens? Like, how do you go from this, what looks like on the outside?

[00:13:11] I want to be really clear about that, because for a lot of us listening, we’re We see people on Instagram. We see people’s websites. We make assumptions. We see the awards and we assume they’ve got it all. They’ve got it figured out. This is the be all and end all. And I want to be like that, or I want to have that, but we really never know what’s going on behind the scenes and what, what else is going on.

[00:13:33] So fill us in. So like, how do you go from that where everybody was probably a little bit envious. Let’s be honest of your business. I know all the other poppers, you know, the POP members are probably so supportive, but at the same time are like, wait a minute, how Jamie’s scaling so much faster. So tell us

[00:13:49] Jami Sparling: like what happened.

[00:13:51] So I would say I was extremely happy. It felt aligned. I was like, Hey, I’m doing my thing. I’m doing all the things that people say to do, [00:14:00] get outside your comfort zone, do this, do that, whatever. And I still do it, did it with authenticity and made sure it felt aligned for me. I’ve still never done a silly real or whatever on Instagram, but I, so I was doing all of the things, what had happened.

[00:14:11] We went, my husband and I went on a business trip. We were in Toronto actually for about four days. I was my happiest. Like I look at the photos of myself with him and I was just like, I was so happy. We get in the car to drive home and I, I’m going to try to not cry while I say this. We got a call. It said my dad’s name on the the call that was coming in.

[00:14:34] And I ignored it because I ignored him a lot because I needed to be in the mindset to deal with him because he was a negative trigger in my life, I guess, at times. And I needed to be mentally prepared. I was happy. But he was going through a lot of health problems, so I quickly sent a text and I said, I’m busy right now, but can I call you back?

[00:14:52] Like, is everything okay? And it was my uncle actually trying to call me through my dad’s phone. And fast forward, I don’t need to go into details, but I talked to the cop that was on the phone. My dad had died. He was at his house. I begged him to please leave him there because he was obviously dead when the paramedics got there.

[00:15:10] I, I begged him. I said it was going to be about two hours before I could get there, but I wanted to see him. I wanted that closure. I wanted that moment with him. Obviously seeing a lot of dead bodies in my life. I’ve gone through a lot of death, but this one was the closest and the hardest for me.

[00:15:25] So I had the chance to go there, which I was so grateful for. And I sat with him by myself, talked to him for a minute, and there was a lot of trauma, the way that he had died, not self inflicted, he just happened to fall down the stairs after he died. So that was very hard, and I did it by myself, and my sister didn’t want to be involved, obviously, that was just so difficult to see.

[00:15:46] So everything changed in that moment. Once I started to go through the process of grieving, and this was much different than PTSD. If someone has experienced that, or they’ve experienced grief, I would say they’re totally [00:16:00] different. PTSD is your brain. It is literally not working properly when you want it to, and you cannot detach and whatever.

[00:16:06] Grief was my heart. I was absolutely heartbroken. But my brain was still there. So my resourcefulness, my tools, my ways to like move beyond something difficult, I knew I needed to face it head on. And I looked for resources. I looked for support. What I realized in my life, which has led me to changing so much.

[00:16:25] So much of the last couple of years is I did not have the support from the people closest to me that have always said, I love you. I’ll be there for you. All the words that people say, but I was literally by myself and not only not supported in my grief and having people there and saying kind things or doing kind things for me, or even asking, how are you?

[00:16:45] How are you doing? Checking in with me. I was criticized for giving a shit that my dad died and I mean, these are my closest relationships. My mom, my grandma, my aunt, my people, the people I viewed as strong, independent females that I needed to rely on because I did not know how to get myself through this.

[00:17:04] I had never experienced that before, and I didn’t have that, so I I watched TED Talks and I googled the shit out of how do you grieve? Like, I did not know how to do this. I don’t think people are taught this. Needs to be taught in schools. Like, if I could change something, please frickin teach kids this thing.

[00:17:22] So I came across the Grief Recovery Handbook, which is an amazing resource. I read through this book and I was like, I’m going to learn how to grieve. And I did all this hard work and I started to feel better. My, the pain in my chest was not so excruciating that my brain started to actually work again.

[00:17:41] And I started to think differently. And I, I opened up my childhood. I cracked things open because when I packed up his house, I learned. That my dad actually loved me, and I don’t mean to go like super deep, I know, like, whatever, but like, I grew up thinking he didn’t love me, my family members [00:18:00] telling me, he doesn’t love you, he’s busy working because he doesn’t care about you, all this stuff, so I grew up thinking he didn’t love me.

[00:18:06] I packed up his house. I became closer with my uncle, who’s his brother, and I was like, holy shit, he actually loved me. Would have been nice to know while he was still alive. Like, that would be cool. Anyways, so then I realized the relationships I actually had in my life. I did a deep dive into what was actually true during my childhood, because if that’s not true, what the hell was, and looked at the narratives and the people, and it turns out everybody’s toxic.

[00:18:30] So I have eliminated myself from a lot of different things, but yeah. grieving. It’s what changed everything. That’s a lot.

[00:18:38] Rebecca Hay: It’s often that you hear stories, people who go through massive life change, and grief can be one of those things shift for you, what you want, why you do things, it shifts. And if that hadn’t happened, you may have been on a different trajectory.

[00:18:59] Right. You might still be running your interior design firm. You might still be living in London, living the same life, or maybe not. I do

[00:19:06] Jami Sparling: believe I would actually saying that I can totally see, I would have probably 10 employees at this point. And I would be like scaling exponentially and being like, what am I doing?

[00:19:16] I love coaching. Why am I, why am I doing this?

[00:19:18] Rebecca Hay: So, so here’s, that’s so interesting to hear you say that because, you know, as you know, I’ve been on my own kind of journey of trying to understand where I’m going to go, and I do think it’s interesting how, you You probably still would have ended up in a similar place.

[00:19:31] It just maybe would have taken a different path. Right. Right. I really do believe that, you know, we’re kind of, not that there’s a destiny, but that, you know, the universe is guiding us and we do internally have likes, desires, wants abilities that maybe are masked by things that happen in our life. And then when there’s a, you know, in your case, a very traumatic event, like losing your father, everything comes to the surface and you’re forced to really look at who you are and what you [00:20:00] want.

[00:20:00] So, first of all, I’m so sorry that. I mean, we, you and I have, have chatted and we’ve met since that has happened, but I’m just still so sorry to hear that that was what caused so much change because. No one wants to lose a parent regardless of your relationship.

[00:20:16] Jami Sparling: Yeah, absolutely. And honestly, with anything that’s ever happened in my life, I grow so much beyond it that I am so grateful for that moment.

[00:20:26] Like, obviously, my dad has to die at some point in life. We all have to. But what that opened up for me and the gifts that that I decided to take from that by facing things head on rather than just avoiding it and numbing out and just like, Oh, time heals all wounds. Okay. People say, just keep on going, keep on going.

[00:20:42] I would be a different person right now if I didn’t actually dive into things. Same with PTSD. If I didn’t actually face things head on, I would be a different person and I have seen the results of what people do when they’re abused or they go through certain life altering situations and they do like sweep it under the rug.

[00:21:00] Oh, here’s another thing. Oh, don’t want to deal with that. Someday I’ll get to that. I’m too busy to deal with that. And I’m the daughter of someone who’s never faced her shit. I’m the granddaughter of someone who’s never faced her shit. And it changes your parenting. It changes what you put out in the world and the crap that you cause other people.

[00:21:17] And I refuse to do that. I’m going to face my stuff. I’m going to heal, and I’m going to be a better parent and a better person to everybody to come into contact with.

[00:21:25] Rebecca Hay: Yeah, holy cack. Okay, so much, so much, so much. So begs the question, what are we all here doing? This is what you went through is you’re grieving, you’re starting to recognize things that are in your life.

[00:21:38] But what made you decide? that interior design was no longer for you? What made you decide that you needed to physically move to a different physical location with your family? Like, talk to us a bit about that transition.

[00:21:51] Jami Sparling: I’ve done so many things simultaneously because, well, thanks to you, I did the Clifton Strengths Test.

[00:21:58] I love that, by the way. I tell everyone to do [00:22:00] that. Oh my god, it was amazing. My number one strength is input. I didn’t even know what the hell that was. Oh, I didn’t even, I don’t know that one. It’s obviously not one of mine. That’s so

[00:22:09] Rebecca Hay: interesting.

[00:22:09] Jami Sparling: So, input is, I am basically so obsessively curious that I seek information like a psychopath.

[00:22:21] To put it briefly, and that, so I take information from everywhere, from books, from this, from that. If you give me a topic, I will be the expert by the end of the day. Like I just soak it up and then because of my photographic memory and this whole input strength or whatever, I like have a vault in my brain where I store it.

[00:22:38] Someday it might be useful. So it’s just like constantly gathering information. I think my youngest son happens to be like this as well. So I’m just constantly gathering stuff. I’m waiting to use it at some point. So as I’m trying to grieve and reading, reading grief books, I’m watching videos, I’m doing all this stuff.

[00:22:54] I read the book called The Artist’s Way and it’s like a 12 week course. I remember like you and I had the same business coach before and she had recommended it. I tried

[00:23:03] Rebecca Hay: it. I didn’t get past the

[00:23:05] Jami Sparling: first chapter. I was like, this is so much work. Yeah, it’s tough and it’s very, so I am not religious whatsoever.

[00:23:12] I would say I’m spiritual now, but that has been I learned how to be spiritual and open my mind to that sort of thing. So I was reading that book and in that book, it’s a lot of childhood stuff and like going back to a whole bunch of stuff and it has so many random questions in it, but one of the questions was list 20 things that you enjoy doing.

[00:23:33] And I could not do that. So it was within the process of that entire book, which I believe is life changing if you can embrace it, you have to open your mind to it, but it was through like, what do I actually enjoy? What do I even like? Who am I? What, what’s true? What’s real? What’s, what am I doing? Like you had asked, like, what are we all here for?

[00:23:54] What are we, what are we trying to reach? The way I used to be before was I was an absolute [00:24:00] workaholic. I worked so many jobs simultaneously and I loved all those things, but it was like, at the end of the day, it was like, did I feel productive? Did I make enough people happy? It was like trying to find your worth through all the things that you can say you did or all the projects that you finished and you have those photos to show and you’re just collecting these things, but who’s it actually for?

[00:24:20] And so through the process of trying to figure out, what do I actually like? What do I even enjoy and realizing I’m worth finding joy throughout my day. I thought I had to earn it at some point I’m gonna be happy at some point I’m going to feel like I can actually go out and play with my kids or watch Something for this simple fact that it makes me happy or so I went through that book again I’m on like the fourth chapter or something redoing it and I have that question again 20 things that you enjoy doing.

[00:24:48] And I honestly highly recommend people just trying to even think of things that they like doing. And I wrote 25 things out so fast, like I couldn’t even stop writing. I was like, I’m gonna stop at 25. And all those things don’t even cost money. Like, as an example, I love creating trails in my forest. I love like walking the beach and I love doing all these random things.

[00:25:10] Like my life is different. And I, through, All that and wondering like what’s actually fun, what’s actually whatever it’s opened my mind like I want to have fun. I want to have a smile on my face. And when I have a smile on my face, I don’t want people to be like, Oh my gosh, what are you so happy about?

[00:25:26] Because they’re not used to a smile on my face. So like, I feel lighter. I feel so different. I don’t go to bed thinking, did I have a productive enough day? Because doing my website recently, Holy shit, that stuff takes a long time to build. I didn’t even realize it would take so long, but at the end of each day, it was like, what did we accomplish?

[00:25:47] It wasn’t about what we accomplished. It was like, did we have fun doing it? Were we in flow? We were, I did it with my husband. So it was like, we’re, we’re Putting all these pictures of all of our different trips and like our life here. Like, yeah, a joy changed my life. And I thought that [00:26:00] was the cheesiest fricking word back in the day.

[00:26:02] Rebecca Hay: So it’s funny. Like I worked, we worked at the same business coach, Andrea Freeman, and she was on obviously the podcast, which is maybe where you heard her. And I connected her with our designers room. I think at the time she did a session. She’s wonderful. She was even in power of process. She’s amazing.

[00:26:16] And I remember doing that joy list too, and having that same like, Oh, what Or what I found is when I did finally write maybe 10 things that brought me joy, they weren’t things that I actually do anymore. They were things that I remember that I loved like dancing and singing and things like that, that I’m like, Oh, I don’t do any of these things.

[00:26:35] Like for me, that was a huge eye opener. So I agree. I think that even if you don’t read the book, which I haven’t, but now I’m thinking I will, Jamie. I’m like, okay, I got to get back into it. Yeah. But do that list. I think it’s so powerful.

[00:26:47] Okay, so you’re finding what makes, what brings you joy, but like. Jamie, like you made a massive freaking change in your life. I have to be honest. I’ve been following your journey on Instagram and I’m a little bit envious because you know, and we’ve, we’ve messaged about this. Like I have such an affinity for nature and being in the country and not being in the city.

[00:27:08] And yet here I am, I still live in Toronto. I have to admit, like part of me is like jealous, seeing you move physically and live in this beautiful place. And of course they say, you know, when spotting jealousy is amazing, because that tells you that. someone’s doing something that you want to do. And I’ll be right open.

[00:27:23] Everybody knows, everyone who listens to this podcast knows like Rebecca needs to move to the country. Like it’s going to happen. It just hasn’t happened yet. So moving across the country, like a plane ride, like time zones away and essentially leaving your business behind. Like what was

[00:27:38] Jami Sparling: the tipping point?

[00:27:39] Because my husband has been involved in the business as well, and he’s been doing a lot of general contracting. The idea was to move our business. I wanted time to just chill. I wanted time to heal and whatever. So I gave myself a year to just figure out what I wanted to do next. Okay. I need to back it up just for one sec.

[00:27:58] So when we decided to take [00:28:00] that family vacation. And we had looked around and thought like, oh my gosh, I want to live here. At that same time, someone who I was in a women’s entrepreneur group with, she and her husband had been together for 10 years, the cutest couple, like, it just didn’t even seem real how madly in love they were.

[00:28:19] He was I think 40 years old and he died in a motorcycle accident while we were on vacation. It was freaking heartbreaking to get that news. And so it’s, I had already had grief on my mind and timing and like, how long are we actually going to live? You can’t just keep pushing things into the future because how do you even know what your future is even going to hold or who’s going to be around, whatever.

[00:28:39] So it was like, we’re doing this. We decided on that vacation, this is happening. I have no idea how, like it was scheduled two days after we got back to go through a hiring process with people who had applied and all this stuff. So we still went through with that. We told them transparently that I think we might be moving.

[00:28:58] So this might be a six month contract, whatever it is. It was really difficult because I have never wanted to let people down in my life. To say to clients who were excited to work with us, who had booked consultations, who we were finishing up with, like repeat clients, all these things that we’re moving.

[00:29:14] This is the craziest thing ever, but we’re doing this. And so we finished up the projects we were committed to. We gave back the money to people who had already paid for a consultation because I didn’t want to like lead them on in some way or just half ass a project or to change our process and only do.

[00:29:30] I don’t know, design consulting or something. I wanted to do full service. So there was a big transition and even telling family members and just what it opened up for me actually was realizing how many people think that they could never do what we were deciding to do. The amount of people that tried to sabotage, well, Oh, we have you get ready for those winters or just It’s like, why do people say shit like that?

[00:29:55] Like we had made the decision. It wasn’t even like, we’re thinking about this thing. It was like, we are [00:30:00] moving and we’re selling our house and we’re doing this thing. And people were just like, Oh my gosh, that sounds so amazing. I could never do that. I’m going to say right now. That is bullshit. You can absolutely do whatever you want to do in life.

[00:30:13] And I want to be proof that that is possible. Like, I know we haven’t said it on here, but I had my first son when I was 16 years old. I moved out at 16. I put myself through school. I did all of these things. I have navigated my way by myself through so much shit. And. I am literally living my best life.

[00:30:34] And it’s, it’s not for Instagram. It’s not like this lovey dovey, whatever, but I have done so much hard work to get to this point and I am literally freaking happy. Not for anybody else to say, Oh yeah, it looks like you’re happy. Congratulations. You’re doing a great job. I’m actually happy. And I don’t even need to share it with people, but if it brings inspiration or whatever, then that’s what it’s here for.

[00:30:54] But you can do whatever you want in life

[00:30:56] Rebecca Hay: when it does. And I think it inspires a lot. And so many Aspects of your story are inspiring me. Like you just mentioned that. Of course, we talked about that in the previous episode of the podcast. So guys go back and listen to that with Jamie, but just think about that.

[00:31:09] A 16 year old, like you’re going to have a 16 year old soon. If like your kids, your children, a bit older than, well, no,

[00:31:16] Jami Sparling: I’ve been a mom for

[00:31:16] Rebecca Hay: 21 years. What am I saying? Rebecca do the math to have gone through so many different iterations and lives in a way. It’s like, you’re like a cat living nine lives, but it’s.

[00:31:29] So inspirational because it reminds us as human beings, not just as designers, that we don’t have to be the same version of ourself for the rest of our lives. You can change geographic location. You can change your career. Also, I think it’s important to know, if you’re listening, We’re not suggesting that you do what Jamie has done.

[00:31:50] Like you don’t have to fly halfway across the country, close down your business and start a new one. Sometimes finding that joy and that change in life is in small tweaks, [00:32:00] right? And that’s what we were sort of talking about. And I would love to sort of dive into that with you now. When you work with people in this coaching, which by the way, I think is amazing for you because you’re just such a natural coach and inside designer’s room, you would always be the one like offering inspiration and motivation and sharing, you know, why don’t you try this thing?

[00:32:15] And have you thought about it this way? And mindset is everything and mindset is everything. So let’s take the time that we have left together to talk about that, because now that everyone’s heard your story and is completely inspired and awed by you, because. I am. How are you helping other people? Like, what can we take from that?

[00:32:34] Some of us, like I said, aren’t ready for such massive change, but we know that we’re craving something more.

[00:32:42] Jami Sparling: One thing that I do with my clients and I, I’ve tweaked it a bit, but there is something called the wheel of life assessment. And I think you’ve briefly touched on it, like a smaller version, but so there’s a ton of YouTube videos on it.

[00:32:55] So basically I break up someone’s life into like, 12 different pies. So it could be like let’s say spirituality, mental health, physical health, relationship, romance, family, all these different things, all the different things that make up your life, whatever it is, if it’s business career, all this stuff.

[00:33:13] And basically it’s like a pie chart. And what you do is you rate each section, how you feel about it out of 10. So as you do this, you get like this visual representation about how balanced your life actually is because you color in the different pie pieces. So you can see visually that, wow, I think my marriage is crap right now.

[00:33:33] Or, oh my gosh, I’m putting all my energy into personal development and I’m freaking rocking it. But my time with my kids feels like it’s, it’s not enough. I’m not present. So it’s like finding the balance and no one’s living a completely perfectly balanced life, but like what brings you joy? What makes you feel alive?

[00:33:51] I think that’s been the biggest change of what makes me feel like I’m actually alive. Back when I was a paramedic, I did everything for everybody else. And I was in burnout [00:34:00] all the time. I did not feel alive. I didn’t even know who I was. And my marriage back then was like, I don’t even, we were, my husband and I were just talking about it.

[00:34:07] Like, who were we back then? I have no clue. I didn’t know who I was. I don’t know how you were, who you were. We were on this like superficial level and our marriage completely fell apart. We were going to get divorced. There was infidelity. There was a whole bunch of shit. And I’m grateful for that rock bottom because we started talking about real stuff.

[00:34:24] We started talking about our childhoods. We started talking about why did you do that thing and what do we need to heal from and like what do you actually want in life and all this hard stuff and we’ve built ourselves up together. So I think it’s through all of the different aspects that I’ve gone through in my life and experiences and growing through all these things that with my coaching clients I can see that when they’re being held back from Not charging their worth that it’s linked to like the programming that they had from their mother who always like Focused on they didn’t have enough money because their dad wasn’t paying child support like all this stuff So I listen to understand and the more I talk to someone and we go freaking deep really fast The more that we talk it’s like, okay, I can see this It’s linked to that and it’s not so obvious.

[00:35:13] It’s not like, I don’t know. I think everybody needs a coach. It doesn’t have to be me, obviously coach everybody, but it, it catapulted my life. It is amazing. So for me, I, I think it’s the input part. I take in information from so many different people and I have a very. Empathetic vibe where I can read someone’s character very quickly.

[00:35:32] I think that’s why I love you. You seem approachable and you just seem like a real person. You’re not just like this fake facade that’s doing all these things. So when you can buy into someone, when you can believe in a business coach and you can actually listen to their advice and take it and you’re trying to not just please them, but you realize it’s making massive waves in your life.

[00:35:53] That’s amazing. But if it’s this like 20 year old kid who lives in their parents basement and they decided to become a life coach, I’m not going to [00:36:00] buy into you. I’m not going to freaking listen to you. And I think when you can find someone who has gone through so much and you’re like, I want to get to where you are.

[00:36:09] I want advice from you. I want guidance from you. Please freaking help me. I’ve had the opportunity to be on the receiving end of that. And it has changed my life. And I highly recommend anyone else. Taking a course or doing these things, reading books, all that stuff to change their life as well, because you don’t need to figure it out and take 20 years to do it.

[00:36:28] Rebecca Hay: Yeah.

[00:36:28] Jami Sparling: That’s why I grew my business so quickly because I didn’t want to go through figuring out how to do all this stuff. And eventually 20 years down the road, that’s when you can feel successful. That’s when you can take those huge leaps. I’m like, screw it. I’m going to take the leaps right now. Like I have nothing to lose.

[00:36:44] Rebecca Hay: Yeah.

[00:36:44] Jami Sparling: It’s fine. If I fail, I’m

[00:36:45] Rebecca Hay: going to learn from it. Like, don’t wait till you’re retired to do something for yourself. Yeah. I can agree with you. I mean, I’ve invested in coaches since the early years of my business and different types of coaches. I think depending on where you’re at in life and where you’re, where you’re at with your mindset.

[00:37:00] Like when I first hired, my first coach was a very strict business coach, a little bit of course, mindset. Yep. always comes into play, but it was more strategic. And then I think I found Andrea and she was much more on the spiritual side and really looking at the whole you. And then from there, I’m like, that’s what I need.

[00:37:19] And everybody is different. But what I’ve found is it’s nice to have a balance between like maybe doing an online course or working with a, with a mentor. In the strategic aspects of your business, but it’s also so powerful. And in fact, some ways more powerful to work with somebody, especially one on one.

[00:37:36] And that’s been my preferred method is working one on one with someone who can have those conversations and get you to like, let’s close your eyes and think back to whatever memory of blah, blah, blah, that comes to your mind. And to your point, like what that example that you used, you know, really resonated with me because it’s this idea of.

[00:37:56] What was going on in your childhood that you kind of overlook that you don’t really think is a big [00:38:00] deal, but it’s actually affecting your ability to stand up for yourself and charge more money for your projects or what have you, because that is how we’re formed. And it’s, it’s something that we don’t talk about a lot.

[00:38:14] We’re all just kind of busy pushing through life, but there’s a reason some people are more successful than other people doing the same things. And I think a lot of it has to do with. Owning your own, your own past and your own stories and understanding how and why you’re showing up the way you are.

[00:38:31] Because we do things on autopilot. Coaching

[00:38:33] Jami Sparling: helps you see that. Yeah. Like the narrative that you hear in your head, the, the words that you hear, if you actually stop for a second, be like, did I come up with that? Or was I trained to think that, or what is that just on repeat in the background constantly?

[00:38:48] So I think going through all the childhood stuff and the working on the inner child work and reparenting and all this, honestly, it sounds so freaking wacky. And I totally get that. I’ve done a deep dive into all that stuff. It’s like, okay, I don’t actually think that. It came from this person. So what do I actually think?

[00:39:04] I can create new thoughts, which create new beliefs and then changes your actions and behaviors. And then you can change your entire life. Like it starts with, you have to go into the weeds with all that stuff and face it, even if it’s freaking hard.

[00:39:17] Rebecca Hay: Yeah. And why do you believe the things you believe?

[00:39:20] Like, that’s a big, like you say, reparenting people are like, what does that even mean? And I don’t even know that I know what that means, but my understanding of it is. As a child, you learn things because, you know, you’re, you’re only at a certain cognitive level as a child, right? And so you, you interpret events and things that are said to you in your own way.

[00:39:38] Whereas if those same things were said to you as an adult, you might react and interpret things differently and internalize it differently. And so sometimes those things can be considered trauma that doesn’t even have to be traumatic to be a trauma. This is something that I’m learning because it’s affecting you now as an adult in, in a less than optimal way.

[00:39:57] And so as a child, there’s Things that happened to [00:40:00] us or life circumstances that we found a way to deal with. Like, I don’t know, it was from my parent. I grew up with divorced parents. I always said, that’s just all I know. It’s all I know. There’s stuff in there, right? If I’m willing to look a little bit deeper that is showing up in my present life and is holding me back from doing the things that I want to do or taking something to the next level, whether it’s a friendship, whether it’s a relationship.

[00:40:24] And so I do think it’s almost like therapy. Let’s be honest. Yeah, it is. What do you see as the difference between sort of coaching with someone like life coach mixed with some sort of business versus a therapist, psychiatrist, that type of thing? I mean, obviously, there’s licensing in there, but just at the core, the root of the types of conversations,

[00:40:45] Jami Sparling: I would say that therapy and Working with a psychologist, which I have, and that’s what helped me through PTSD, I think there’s certain things like if you’re dealing with significant trauma right now, like your coach is not going to help you through that, but you can do things that are complimentary.

[00:41:02] So it’s, I would say therapy is more about the past and trying to survive the present. And. Getting the tools that are going to help you in the future, but more about like present and past stuff. And I would say coaching is more in the present and helping you move towards that future that you envision for yourself.

[00:41:20] And like opening your mind to what’s even possible in your future, like allowing yourself to dream while also like going into the past as needed to work through that shit so that you can be present in your life. And. Get excited for the future. So I think it’s more future focused rather than past and just trying to keep that client coming back as a therapist and just like, yes, let’s talk about your problems again.

[00:41:43] Like, I don’t want a client to have to stay with me for a lifetime. I want you to like, have these tools that you’ve gained. We’ve done a deep dive and like, go off and live your life and come back if you need these little single sessions to like, keep things up or like, remind yourself of who you actually are and what you’re capable of.

[00:41:59] But [00:42:00] like going forward with it just to touch on the inner child stuff. If people think we’re completely wacky and talking about this, the whole idea of inner child is the person you were when you were eight, where did they go? They still exist within you. They didn’t just like disappear or die. So there are times when someone says something to you, it could be a client.

[00:42:19] It could be a partner. It could be whoever that triggers. How that inner child thinks and then you go back into like, Oh my God, I made a mistake. So for me being a perfectionist recovering, I am not allowed to make mistakes. That is my childhood story. I have to do everything perfectly. I was the oldest of my siblings.

[00:42:38] I needed to be the role model all the time. Perfection all the time. Don’t ever screw up. So if I have ever made the simplest of mistakes, whatever I go into, like, inner critic. I am terrible. Oh my God, I can’t believe I did that. And like, just take things so freaking personally. And so it’s through working with the inner child stuff that you can realize, okay, that’s just programming.

[00:43:00] I don’t need to react that way. That’s not what’s happening here. It’s a trigger and this is how I deal with it. And so that’s where the reparenting comes in and being like, now that you’re an actual parent, you can be like, Oh, We’re good. Yeah. But your inner child also wants to play. So that’s the shit that makes you feel alive.

[00:43:17] I embrace joy and play.

[00:43:19] Rebecca Hay: Yeah. For anyone listening, if they’re like, huh, this sounds like something that could be helpful to me. Like, how do you know when you’re ready to work with a coach?

[00:43:27] Jami Sparling: Are you alive? You’re ready. I’m just kidding. I think people know themselves and if you feel like you keep coming up against a wall or you’re feeling that sense of comparison when you go on Instagram or there’s just something that you feel is missing or you know, there’s just something keeps popping up in your head or your heart or that gut feeling of like, I know there’s more.

[00:43:48] Pay attention to how your body feels. Pay attention to that headache that you keep getting in certain situations or your stomach’s all upset doing this, like your body is here to give you emotions and tell [00:44:00] you all these things to wake you up to be like, you’re going off course. You’re not actually doing the things that you love to do.

[00:44:06] And just, If you notice that a change needs to happen, it could be from a book. You come across a book that can change your life. Books have absolutely changed my life or changed my thinking and opened my mind. But working with a coach, I highly recommend it. But finding the person that you’re going to listen to, because there’s no point in wasting your money just to be entertained during the call and then not do anything after it and hold yourself accountable.

[00:44:28] Rebecca Hay: Yeah. I think that’s the big thing is you need to find someone whose story resonates with you, whose personality and manners. resonate with you because, and sometimes you, you know, it’s like kissing a few frogs. Sometimes you, you work with a coach for three to six months and then you’re like, okay, that was a good experience, but I’m ready for the next one.

[00:44:47] And sometimes you find someone who just resonates with you at this life stage that you’re at, because that can change too, what you need. in one season of life can change and that might be a different coach. That might be somebody else who has more of that life experience. I was just, I was just thinking of you saying the comparison thing.

[00:45:07] Is this this idea that if we’re constantly comparing ourselves and feeling discouraged by what other people are doing. Can we ever eliminate that? Like, like if, if someone’s to work with you, will they stop scrolling the gram

[00:45:23] Jami Sparling: and feeling shitty about themselves? Yeah, it honestly is. So something that I did a very long time ago is basically a life audit of what are you exposing yourself to on a regular basis.

[00:45:35] The news, the, certain people in your life, people who have access to you through text, through messaging, through whatever. And what are you exposing yourself through your feed? So my, the first thing I ever did was I went through a Facebook, like hundreds of people that I used to be friends with or whatever stuff would pop up on there that would either.

[00:45:55] Cause comparison or toxicity of some kind or just put me into a weird [00:46:00] spiral. Like I didn’t need to know that today. So I unfriended everybody. I stopped following all of that stuff because I could not control what someone decided to post. So same thing with Instagram. If you are constantly triggered by someone in whatever way, stop following them or just mute them or restrict or do whatever you need to do to just take a break from that.

[00:46:20] And then what, And what truly helps with comparison is getting to know yourself and truly loving and accepting yourself. And again, sounds super wacky. If I listened to myself like six years ago, I was not this person. But self love and acceptance dramatically changes how you feel about yourself. And when you can own who you are, Whatever somebody else is doing or looking like, or they’re doing their thing, you are not at all in competition.

[00:46:48] You are separate people, still humans. So everyone’s capable of whatever. Take the inspiration. If you want that, look up to them, be like, how did they do that? That seems enjoyable or whatever. I’m going to take some of that. But if you’re comparing yourself, it has nothing to do with that other person. It has something to do with you.

[00:47:04] And it’s going deeper of like, why am I doing that? For me, I compared myself a lot. Because I grew up being criticized about how I looked constantly. And so one of the hardest things I’ve had to overcome in business, and especially sitting here and doing this on video, if people are watching it, I do not like being visible, like being a paramedic, putting my uniform on, didn’t even have to pick my outfit and just going and doing my job, never being on the news, never being allowed to talk about anything.

[00:47:31] It was like one on one with my patient or just like bossing people around to deal with a crazy scene. That’s my comfort zone. So being like dressed up and how’s my hair? And oh, this is how you do branding and how you had to do branding photoshoots and you need to be visible in your business. Holy hell.

[00:47:47] No, thank you. But I have had to do the self love thing and like this is how I look. If you don’t like that. I don’t have Botox and my lips that look all puffy and whatever. That’s fine. Like I got fake boobs when I was really young like [00:48:00] if I had to go back and I love myself now, I would not have done that.

[00:48:03] But I’m like I need to be pretty because my mom always. comments on my looks or criticizes whatever, like psychological abuse and all that stuff leads to this. Like why do you think the thoughts that you’re thinking about yourself, why are you not accepting the roles in your belly? Like I am grateful for my stretch marks and for whatever is going on in there because I had the ability to birth two kids.

[00:48:23] Thank freaking God. Like I’m so grateful for that. So why am I even going to care about like extra roles or whatever is happening when I’m not? Thank you. I am an amazing person and what I look like currently was like I needed coping mechanisms and I needed to protect myself because of some sort of trauma that I’ve just gone through and I needed to pack on some pounds because I’m in survival mode.

[00:48:43] Cool, let it shed when I go outside and play. Like when my father had died actually and sitting with his body and all the deaths that I’ve experienced and as a paramedic. Your body doesn’t freaking matter. The memories that your family members have and what is your legacy that you leave or whatever it is, that’s what people are going to remember.

[00:49:03] It’s not like, Oh my God, remember her six pack? So nice. Like who gives a shit about what you look like? Thank goodness because I do not have a six pack.

[00:49:12] Rebecca Hay: I’ve never had one. I mean, me neither. Only in the fridge. Thank you for that wisdom. And it’s a great reminder to us because we do still, though things sometimes feel like they’re changing and then sometimes they feel like they go backwards.

[00:49:24] We live in a society that values looks. Aesthetics. I mean, heck, we’re designers, right? We want spaces to look beautiful and perfect, but we do live in a society where it’s about fashion. And how do I look in this outfit that I know that, I mean, I wasn’t criticized for my looks growing up, but if anything, it was the opposite where I was always praised when I did look good, when I did look fashionable.

[00:49:48] And that’s what society does to us too, right? You go to a party, people always comment when you look good. Why is that something that’s worthy of talking about? It just is. And so it’s one of those things [00:50:00] that’s like, now we’ve been trained that, well, if I’m not dressed well, if I don’t have makeup on, if I’m not showing up on Instagram beautifully done, then I’m not going to be accepted.

[00:50:11] Or liked, and then we internalize this feeling and it affects our day, it affects how we can show up and do our jobs and parent our kids because of this one silly little thing, which is how we look. Meanwhile, no one else really gives two fucks about how you look. It’s all about what you think. Oh my gosh.

[00:50:28] Okay. I feel like we could keep talking forever. This is so good. I’m so excited for you, Jamie. I’m so excited for this new adventure. Well, you’ve had many new adventures. I can’t wait to like, please keep sharing the beautiful nature that surrounds you. I love it. One day I do hope to come out and visit you.

[00:50:45] Yeah, I would love that. I’m excited for you and all of the, let’s face it, it’s probably mostly women. I don’t

[00:50:51] Jami Sparling: know if you work with men as well, but. I do actually. It’s both. That’s why authentic armor is not, it was very difficult to go masculine and feminine. I needed that mix, even changing the font because growing up, I was a tomboy.

[00:51:03] I loved being around males and I am like. a very direct person. So I want to attract males, females, whatever. It’s not just for, for women. Okay. That’s a really

[00:51:13] Rebecca Hay: good distinction. I mean, it’s mostly women listening here, but not all women. There are definitely men in our midst and we even have some men in side designers room now, which is amazing.

[00:51:22] But I’m excited for those humans that you are going to help because your experience is so vast and you have done the work. And I think that’s what matters is like, if you’re going to pick a coach to work with, find someone who is, who’s maybe still in the weeds in their own area, but has done the work to get where they are because they’re going to help pull you out and get you to take and make change in your own life.

[00:51:44] So I’m so excited that you’re going to help others do that before we end our time together. I would love for you to share a

[00:51:50] Jami Sparling: last nugget of wisdom. Be careful who you’re seeking advice from and who you’re actually taking in the advice from. So I actually have a blog post about unsolicited [00:52:00] advice, which I highly recommend people read, but not all advice is created equal, even if they’re coming from a well intentioned kind person who you’ve had close to you in your entire life.

[00:52:10] So if someone is a single and has no children, they should not be giving you parenting and marriage advice. Right? Even if they’re your best friend. So I, in the past, took a lot of advice from family members. Oh, you know what you should do in your business? You know, you should like, no, take advice from people who are at a place where you would like to get to, who have the background, the whatever it is.

[00:52:34] for that information to sink in. Thank the person, whoever it is, but don’t let those words necessarily penetrate. That’s the whole authentic armor thing. The armor, you keep certain things out and you allow certain things in. The one quote that I absolutely love is by Brene Brown, and it’s, if you’re not in the arena, also getting your ass kicked.

[00:52:52] I’m not interested in your feedback. It has kept me sane because people have advice to give and I’m sorry, I don’t want to hear it from everyone. I love you. I will, I want advice from people I’m paying to give, give me advice or who are at a place where I would like to get to.

[00:53:09] Rebecca Hay: Yeah, I love that. Thank you.

[00:53:10] Thank you for that advice. But you know what? It’s so true. It’s like business advice, like you have to take it with a grain of salt, you know, if I’m talking about something that’s going on with my business to some other parents at the school and someone who doesn’t even own their own business is like, well, you should probably do this because this is what I’m seeing people do.

[00:53:27] It’s like, thank you very much for your input, but I have to remind myself that they have no freaking clue what they’re talking about. And maybe what they say will work. But it also might not, but they don’t have any experience to back that up. So I love that. I love those quotes. We’ll put all, all the things that you’ve talked about today.

[00:53:44] We’re going to put them in our show notes and, and and your beautiful new website, which is so beautiful. But for those listening, where can they find and follow you?

[00:53:52] Jami Sparling: Yeah. So on Instagram, it’s authentic dot armor and armor spelt the Canadian way with a U in it. And my website is authentic [00:54:00] armor. com.

[00:54:01] And there is a wealth of information and resources. You do not need to give me your email address. Just browse it, change your life with the amazing stuff that’s on there.

[00:54:08] Rebecca Hay: I mean, I did, I will say though, Jamie, I did see that. And I thought that’s really lovely of her, but this is a missed opportunity. The business mind in me is like.

[00:54:18] No, you need to get their email addresses because then you can further serve them.

[00:54:23] Jami Sparling: I will do that on other things, but Then you can help people. Thanks for the unsolicited advice, Rebecca.

[00:54:29] Rebecca Hay: Unsolicited

[00:54:30] Jami Sparling: advice? I’m sorry, I can’t help it. I saw that and I was like, I understand why, but at the same time, why?

[00:54:36] Yeah, because some of this stuff is honestly very touchy subjects. I talk about what to do when someone’s ghosted you or toxic family members or whatever. I want people to use that stuff without having to like show me that they wanted to read that specific topic. Okay. I didn’t think of it that way, that

[00:54:50] Rebecca Hay: that makes a lot of sense and you should still also have an email list for the people who love to hear from you.

[00:54:56] That

[00:54:56] Jami Sparling: is in the future. We’re just getting started. I’ve learned a lot from you. I took momentum marketing. I’ve got this. I got to bring that course back. Yeah, it’s

[00:55:04] Rebecca Hay: awesome. Amazing. Okay. Well, thank you so much for your time today, Jamie. It’s been so wonderful talking and I can’t wait to watch and follow your next journey.

[00:55:13] We will definitely have you back on the podcast. Thank you so much guys. Isn’t Jamie amazing? I mean like, holy heck, Jamie, you have really seen it all. But I love your perspective and how the experiences in your life have shaped you, but in a positive way and how you are taking all of life’s. crap that it’s thrown you and you are positioning it into success and happiness.

[00:55:42] I love that, especially now you are giving back to others. I know that you are going to make such incredible change and you’re going to be so successful at what you do because you genuinely care. You have the knowledge and the skill set and you are going to transform other people’s lives. So, [00:56:00] So, for those of you listening, go read Jamie’s blog, absorb all of that information that she has for you for free on her website at AuthenticArmor. com. And I really do hope that the rest of us can take what we’ve learned from Jamie today, and And invest in finding joy in the things that we do every day. If you guys enjoy this episode with Jamie, send me a DM. Let me know. I’d love to have her back. Jamie, thank you very much for joining us on Resilient by Design.